Yesterday, I was talking to two
colleagues about sin and faith. We're all scientists and teachers (!) so
we just delve right into theology, history, and philosophy with mouths
that move almost as fast as our brains. (Wow I'm so humble. :p )
What
we're learning from each other is great enough. But even better is that
there's an atmosphere of mutual respect and just an eagerness to
understand God better to live more fully for Him. :) Awesome. And there
is an appreciation for how this same God moves in different groups and
cultures to draw all people to Himself. Indeed He is real and He is
simply the Greatest. ♥
So
this morning the discussion continued via email, focusing on purgatory.
I'm reposting my reply below because I hope it will help shed some
light on what Jesus' life, death and resurrection means for us today,
especially in our (Philippine) culture.
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Hi bros!
Yes
---, it's refreshing to talk to you and --- yesterday. One God and One
Spirit indeed. After our talk I was inspired to tweet and post this :)
All human institutions are prone to error. But nothing is beyond God's saving, redeeming Power, Truth and Love. #OneGod
Before
anything else, I'll just take back what I said yesterday, careless words
--- about venial vs. mortal sins as determination whether one lands in
purgatory or hell. I don't believe in purgatory so I just carelessly
said that. Sorry, my mistake.
Starting question / Food for thought: The concept of purgatory --- when did it start being taught?
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I'll comment on this point:
"Some
Fundamentalists also charge, as though it actually proved something,
"The word purgatory is nowhere found in Scripture." This is true, and
yet it does not disprove the existence of purgatory or the fact that
belief in it has always been part of Church teaching. The words Trinity
and Incarnation aren’t in Scripture either, yet those doctrines are
clearly taught in it."
The concept of purgatory
is not only unmentioned in the Bible, it is in conflict with what the
Bible explicitly teaches. Christ says that on Judgment Day, he will
separate the sheep and the goats (either you're in or you're out)
(Matthew 25:31-46). He also gave the parable of a poor man named Lazarus
who died and went to heaven, while a rich man died and was sent to
hell. The rich man requested Abraham for some water, and Abraham said
"...between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that
those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over
from there to us." (Luke 16:26).
Jesus is
the only one who can and already saved us from hell. Upon being saved,
indeed we are now being sanctified and are growing in Christlikeness.
Indeed, no follower of Christ suddenly becomes perfect like God, but
isn't it great that we are improving, becoming more like Him, even in
this life, before we die?
Questions: Is perfection a requirement
to eternal life? How do we attain this perfection? Wouldn't this just
point us back to Christ and the cross? Nobody is perfect,
everybody is sinful, we all need a Savior. Even when we follow Christ we
are still imperfect sinners, but what can purgatory do that Jesus has
not already done? (Why not just go back and claim Jesus' forgiveness for
all the sins I have done today?)
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I'll also comment on this point:
"After all, if a guilty soul is merely "covered," if its sinful state
still exists but is officially ignored, then it is still a guilty soul.
It is still unclean."
Is this implying that Jesus' death and resurrection are not enough? Let's be careful now!
"Behold
the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!" --- John the
Baptist (John 1:29,36), also according to Old Testament prophecies
Yesterday
we were talking about consistency which points to authenticity. I
respect the authority of the Catholic Church (!) but again, let us look
into the consistency of this teaching. When I trusted Jesus as my
Savior, I let Him save me by His taking the punishment for my sins. That
means I am saved, covered, and yes, clean. That's my belief, based on
my understanding of the Bible. I'll explain below. If there is
disagreement, let's talk about it (find time! :) ).
Many times
Jesus told people, "Your sins are forgiven... You are healed... Today
you will be with me in paradise." Period. Jesus never said, "You need a
period of purging first." It's just yes or no. Even when He charged
Peter and the apostles (which I know Catholics love to quote!) -->
"Everything you bind on earth will be bound in heaven... Everything you
loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." (Matthew 16:19, Matthew 18:18)
It's yes or no. In or out. He never said maybe, and He never taught it.
It's true that Jesus sometimes told people to do something (ex: go wash in the pool, or show themselves to the priests),
and we can argue that their healing and/or salvation is conditional.
(That might be a longer discussion for another time.) But my point here
is, there's no maybe. Either they were healed or not. Either Jesus
assured them of heaven (like the thief beside Him on the cross), or not.
Yes or no.
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So, can we just view this present life as purgatory?
Indeed,
nobody attains perfection when they get baptized, pray a particular
prayer, do this or that. Nobody becomes a Christian and suddenly
achieves perfection. Essentially, every moment we are being called to be
more Christlike --- so I think non-Catholic Christians just
(implicitly) see this present life as purgatory... only in the sense
that one is walking with Christ and becoming "more" like Christ (thereby
being "better and implicitly "more" perfect...?)
But
non-Catholic Christians (I'll call NCC?) don't really perceive
perfection as a goal, because it implies "I want to be like God" which
is both impossible and dangerously idolatrous (like Satan tempting Eve).
And NCC don't view death as the moment when you achieved perfection
such that you may already "graduate". So that's where the analogy of
this life and purgatory ends. (Well, it's not really an issue for NCC,
but I'm just trying to apply the concept of sanctification here...)
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To
summarize: Humans are imperfect and sinful and all deserve eternal
punishment for our sins, which means hell. We cannot save ourselves
because no one (human) is good enough. Only Jesus, fully God and fully
man, can take our place and receive our punishment such that we can also
receive His righteousness. For all my sins (past present and future), I
can receive my just
punishment (hell or eternal existence away from God), or I can let God
save me (receive Jesus as my Savior, that He died in my place so I can
receive His righteousness).
"For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all
are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by
Christ Jesus. God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through
the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to
demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left
the sins committed beforehand unpunished — he did it to demonstrate his
righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who
justifies those who have faith in Jesus." (Romans 3:23-26)
As
you quoted "nothing unclean shall enter heaven", in the same way that
"no one can see God's face and live " (Exodus 33:20). And people who
become Christian are still imperfect and prone to sin. But these all
just point back to Christ as the solution: not just for our salvation
but also for our redemption and sanctification:
In him we
have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in
accordance with the riches of God’s grace that he lavished on us. With
all wisdom and understanding, he'd made known to us the mystery of his
will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ, to be
put into effect when the times reach their fulfillment — to bring unity
to all things in heaven and on earth under Christ. (Ephesians 1:7-10)
So Christians are not perfect, only cleansed, forgiven,
and *continuously*
being sanctified to be more like Christ. We can call this
sanctification a "purging", but the formal Catholic definition of
purgatory (a state of purification before entering Heaven) is not what
the Bible teaches (each person has an eternal destiny, either with God
in Heaven or away from God in Hell; with no middle way or in-between
state).
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Thank you guys for hearing me out! :)
Thank God I was able to read this message (--- sends a lot, I just couldn't get to read them!). And thank you for listening.
God bless, and see you next week ^_^
Your sis in Christ,
Teci :)